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Next topic for discussion: Oligospermia / azospermia ....and its management with
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Dr. Bhadresh Naik: According to my experience Sukrakshay Is related to sapta dhatu
dusti
So we have to start with langhan, Dipan, Pachan, Kedarikulya nayay
applied……….Than stert aprodatic medicine
Dr. Prerak Shah: The basic question is : Is it shukra kshaya? The semen
quantity can be the normal...only sperms are less.....sometimes even sperms are
in sufficient quantity..but not motile...so lets think all aspects..Thnx
Shri Minoo parabia: For oligospermia I would suggest. Aswagandha, Vidarikand, Varahikand, Mahuva bark, Shatavari, Cow's
ghee., Udad dal, Garlic
Vd. Gurumahantesh: You can try this Ashwagandha 100gm, Kapikacchu 100gm, Kushta
50gm, Shataavari 100gm, Vidaarikanda 50gm, Yashtimadhu 50gm, Amalaki 50gm, Haritaki
50gm, Kokilaaksha 50gm -Mix these fine powdered medicines it will become total 600gram.
Take one testicle of goat cut it by four side and put 50gram of
mixed medicine into goat testicle.
Take 1liter of cows milk put the testicle and boil to make
kshirapaka upto it will get reduced to one fourth means it will become 250ml of
kshirapaka the prepared kshirapaka advice for the basti for 6 to7 days in case
of low sperm count.
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Parik sir you are right our criteria for shukra kshaya it's
not always sperm count basically we have really think or to start semen
analysis by ayurveda pattern we have to check varna gandha n all parameters
which are given in samhitas…In vagbhat sharir sthana they have return
concept of puti shukra also………. That we have to understand also
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Sorry everybody…I always try to understand basic principles
according to patients problem I suggests line of treatment….If we do apply the
basis prognosis of disease is better…..If digestive system is poor….How
medicine will digest…Think
Dr. Samir Suneri: In that type of pt we can use utarvasti with aswagandhadi
oill but it all procedure should be in very sterile style otherwise after 15
days pt can be present with urinary infections and backache
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Vanari kalpa of Sandu having good result to increase
counts
Vd. Sunil Suthar: Varicocele is one of main reason in azoospermia ! Surgeon always advise to operate it but they
dont give any guaranty to improve sperm count or will help in pregnancy !
Sometimes congenital deformities like undescended testis ! Some
pts works with boiler plant and some others heat generated area who are also
more prone to oligospermic ! As per
ayurved science apan vayu dushti is the main cause of it so If possible then
first try to deepan pachan , basti karma…And then akshir yoga pho
which i put here has wonderful result der !
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Any trauma to genital part can cause azospermia
Vd. Sunil Suthar:
Vd. Sunil Suthar: Avoid jeans pant ! Avoid hot sits bath ! Apply cold sponge at scrotum area !
And plz avoid katu,amla, lavan ras !
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: I have patients having uper extremities muscular vasting
masdhatuxay
Details history taken having a small amount of seman and erectile
dysfunction. bruhan treatment….Muscular
development along with increase semen and correction of erectile dysfunction…..No
aprhrodatic medicine given
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Mumps and vericosle, Testicular abnormalities, Tobacco, Alcohol,
Low testosterone, Physiologic problem are dd
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: Onion is another important aphrodisiac food, second only to
garlic. It increases libido and strengthens the reproductive.
Dr. Prerak Shah: Lets go to basics of the condition: Oligospermia.....nidan,
samprapti, types etc...later we will go for treatments.....and please do not
put just 'General' treatment.....please share your practical experienced
medicines. Thnx
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Causes for Shukra kshaya or decrease of shukradhatu (semen):
"jarayaa chintayaa sukram vyandhibhih karma karshanat
kshayam gachchatyanasanaat streenam chati nishevanat"
Old age, Mental stress and worries, chronic diseases,
under nourishment and excessive indulgence in sex or increased
ejaculation of semen leads to shukra kshaya or reduced quantity of semen.
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Bhadreshbhai high moral and will power does the needful.
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Lakshana of shukra dhatu kshaya:-
Daurbalya – weakness,
Mukha Shosha – dryness of mouth,
Pandutva – pallor,
Sadana – lassitude,
Shrama – tiredness,
Klaibya – impotency and
Shukra Avisarga – non-ejaculation of semen, non-ovulation.
Ch.su.17/69
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: For muscular wasting - Santarpan chikista, Asvaganghagrut, Raspachakvati,
Asthi majja pachakvati, Sastisalipind swed, Asvagandhadhan, Rasayan tablet, Kshirbala
avarthi, Balaasvaganharistsa, Chitrakadivati, Vishtindukvati, Bruhan nasya, With
this medicine he improvement in sukraxay, Kedarikulya nyay work
Dr. Anup Torane:
Dr. Anup Torane: This is my favorite remedies to treat pt. having complaints
like oligospermia, azoospermia,burning sensation after intercourse,backache
after semen ejaculation…In any case related to apan vayu basti is most
important n shukrakshay is also due to vatvriddhi so basti with bruhan dravya
very useful in this typ of cases
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Kaunch & malkankni seeds r powerful ingredient among
these to be added I suppose
Dr. Anup Torane: Yes sir we can!
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: निदान:कटु,लवण क्षार अति सेवन. वातकर विहार अतिसेवन. चिकित्सा: नक्र रेतो वृष्याणाम्|वंग भस्म. नालिकेरोदक. वानर कल्प(Mucuna prurines) गोरस वर्ग. इक्षु विकार. मुसली preparations….. Cause:
Excess intake of pungent Salt alkaline, taste in food and Vaata aggravateing …activities….Treatment:
Tin bhasma(vanga), Tender coconut, Kapikachu Musli, Milk products, Cane
sugar products.
Chikitsa: nakra reto vrushyanam. …Bangbhasma,Narikelodaka, Vanar
kalpa (mucin prurient)
Goras varg: ikshu vikar ,Musli preparation
Dr Dipak Shirude: Low or nil sperm count and loss of libido are how interrelated ?
शुक्रक्षय
and ध्वजभंग Please explain and discuss
these situations .....
Dr. Shriniwas Gujjarwar: Ajaanda siddha grita is very effective for oligospermia.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Puspadhavaras is drugs of choice in any type of erectile
dysfunction and low sperm count and libido
Dr Sandeep Madaan: Dr's English or hindi please….Makardhwaj rasayana,
pushpdhanwa and dhatupaushtik churna give results. Many refractory cases fail
to yield results
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Is it possible to collect nakra retas ? I
thought amongst all animals nakra-crocodile sperm is most fertile sperm that is
the idea shared in charak samhita nothing else
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Testicular biopsy suggests alive sperm in testicle what
ayurved suggests line of treatment
Dr. Priti Vikas Agrawal: I used tab.spemen Himalaya, Kauchaghan, Amrut with
kesar elaychi, Shilajit raasayan, survanayukta makardhvajavati
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Lekhan basti can be suggested?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: If generalize the orientation of fertility, I
observed some times its hereditary, not in all but many such cases found in
same family branch that no child birth in family. For few years they do take
various treatments with no result then accept either or switch over to
tona-totka Magic remedy etc. All in vain, then we have to accept that no
medicine of any branch works for them, can we not find at least the reason!
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: I suppose नक्रस्य रेतस (nakrasya retas) was salmon ( fish ) eggs, because easy to
collect & particularly salmon roe, are very rich in nutrients……Salmon
roe has the highest level of omega 3 of any other food. The omega 3 fats
(EPA and DHA) in one ounce of salmon roe equate to 1800 mg. This is 3.5
times the amount in salmon (from the highest omega 3 species)…….In addition to
being rich in brain fats, salmon roe is rich in antioxidants and fat-soluble
vitamins including high levels of vitamins C, D and E, thiamine, folate,
vitamin B12 and selenium. Fish eggs are also high in protein, with one
ounce of salmon roe containing 6 grams of protein. It is also a good
source of cholesterol for those who are allergic to chicken eggs….Salmon
roe (and other fish eggs for that matter) are great for brain development in
children & fertility.
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Have you tried wheat grass for the female, various
gynecology problems are solved.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Wheat grass is not a medicine I suppose, its an antioxidant
which helps eliminate free radicles in body
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Who says it is not a medicine ? Unless u eliminate free radicals,
one cannot conceive.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: New vision, Line of treatment for azoospermia, Lekhan basti
can given varicose, Blockage in spermatic cord, Epididymis, Can tried basti in
epididymis, Sonography guided…..Please frist laughing on comment then think
seriously
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Instead wheat grass wheatgerm oil used as it's very reach in
vitamin E
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: I have seen pts getting rid of gynec problems of various etiology,
and conceive. According to Ayurved, for conception Rutu, Kshetra, Ambu, and
beej should be proper, it is prerequisite for conception.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Requests to vd prerakbhai and other experts panchkarma
specialist in our group to do comment on my thoughts and vision……..Testicular biopsy suggests alive sperm in testicle what ayurved
suggests line of treatment……….This type of cases are seen in clinic
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: I have given, 1)ashwagandha100, 2)kaucha100, 3)satavari100, 4)vangbhasma30gm,
Mixture 1.5tsf with glass of milk…..It increases sperm count…..Patent medicines
have very small quantity of drugs……This requires huge quantity.
Shri Minoo parabia: Bhadreshbhai. If the sperms are alive, where is the problem. And why the testicular biopsy was advised?
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: A patient was suffering from varicocele.and sperm count was
only 3mil/ml.
It increased by this combination. He is deaf and mute. His
wife conceived after 7month treatment
Shri Minoo parabia: Any malignancy suspected? I would like to comment on your
rider on pharma preparation, mostly tablets. Our doses require about 10g
of power at a time. Tablet can accommodate maximum of 500mg. Mostly 300mg. Therefore
a single dose would require 20 tablet at a time except they're extract based.
Further may be at some other time. So I support your view.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Azosparmia is lack of production of sperm….In
mamy case production is there but due to obstruction sperm dosent seen in semen….Above
cause are describe
My question is to open the obstruction by lekhan basti in spematic
cord or in epidadamus
Similar in fallopian tubes block….Think different and get
different….May be new hope for azospermia patients…..We
need to develop new dimension of treatment..by using technology
Bunty Gandhi: Yes
..Just two tabs of ashwagandha doesnt work..Specific things require special
dose.
Shri Minoo parabia: When vasa deference or epididymis are creating obstruction
is it not comparable to vericocoel! Yes it is interesting to think about it as
an alternative to surgical correction.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: We talked about basti play roll sir we have to understand
and think about new consept with help from morden surgeon to proved basti
effects…We have nothing to lose
Slightly different approach make big changes
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Varicocele is different, But due this sperm count is low
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Vericocele is nothing but absence of sperm.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Please come forward Vd prerakbhai masters of panchkarma for guide
and suggests welcome….I am differ on comment
Dr Premsukh: varicocele
is one of the cause of azoospermia
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Erandamooladi basti should be done naika sir on your case
Dr. Anup Torane: Yes naik sir i agree with u.if any obstruction (sanghat) is there
then we can try lekhan basti
Dr Premsukh: If varicocele detected, surgery is recurred, but azoospermia most
of time not due to varicocele
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: In management of varicocele kaishor guggul and suran watak
can be used
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: I talking about basti given direct in epididymis or in vas
by sonography guided…Like dyes are injected for x-ray or ct scan
Dr Premsukh: i
think not possible boss
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Nothing is impossible….Just to understand basic principles and apply
In future might foreigner may develop new dimension of basti
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Utarbasti with kshara
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: @Our respected dr's with modern…..We should go for new dimension definitely but in
our ayurved cases hygiene always remains a point….Everything should be sterile
right from the preparartion of medicine till its use…We
ayurved ppl need to set up OT's for our procedure…. Like there are few
ayurved physicians who are doing uttar basti in females exactly like tge
procedure of IUI, But they have OT set up…. Or else we can tie up
with some allopathic hospital for these procedures….So it has many technical
issues
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Team work,Use of skill of surgeon
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: Team work is lacking........Yes those who are making team efforts
they are successful today
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Even we sit together and understand the issue
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: I think when given Uttarbasti in male , Basti dravya goes in
Bladder not in seminal track ( शुक्रवह स्त्रोतस ) . How possible any Basti (lekhan etc.) act in
production of sperms or improve quality of sperms. Uttarbasti
in male useful of Bastigat vikar (मूत्राशय विकार )
Definitely Uttarbasti (in uterus ) gives good result in female
infertility . mild massage with VRUSHY TAIL over scrotum,
then SHITAL LEPAM (चंदनम् + यष्टीमधु) & last shit jal parishek, it's gets superb result in
oligospermia asthenospermia & ED.(diabetic )
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Shree gopal tailam also having good results
Dr. Prerak Shah: Dr. Bhadresh and all friends, sorry for delay in reply. I
would like to share my exp. Fir male uttarbasti - in vas. I think it is
possible. In early 1990's I tried it. I found one very good surgeon on my side
with his OT and knowledge and experience. We did male uttarbasti with oil. Then
comes the same question that how can we know that the medi reached to Vas or
not? Several times we did both anuvasan and niruh uttarbasti. But in those days
technology was not advance like today. But we have planned for dye injected sonogram
with male uttarbasti I don't remember much now. I have no data available.
But I strongly believe that it is possible. Keep it up Dr. Bhadreshbhai.
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Oligospermia is reason of varicocele. As it is said Vaoh dhatu kshayam kopatarsya avrena ch
Dr Premsukh: First of all trying on animal experiment like rat /pig. because
without experiment study are baseless. and sir support of modern
surgeon/physician are needed. Written consent are also
required. Phytochemical, analytical study of used drugs are also
required…All things are possible when support of Institute/Research centre/
CCRAS are there
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Drug modifications and water soluble particle can use
Dr Premsukh: we use medicine in oil form, so ethanol /pet. ether soluble
contents are useful
Not water soluble
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Many times patients having a low motility Sperm,
Immotile sperm, Can treat according to dosh dusti, Slow motion related to
cough, Dead sperm related to pitta, Vat dosh increase fast motility, According
to dosh balance is better result
Vd. Hardik bhatt, Idar: I think we have shukra janan and shukra shodhan both drugs
.. We have to use then according ... There is one vajikaran name also
... So we have to use all these three drugs accordingly...
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Obstructive oligospermia is good point to discuss
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: In Modern medicine , Microsurgical vasal reconstruction is a
suitable treatment for many cases of obstructive azoospermia or
oligozoospermia. But it hasn't positive results . In
ayurveda many vaidhya's use uttarbasti in male fertility. But in charak
siddhisthan ch.12 clearly mentioned uttarbasti in male for reduced
urethral pain due to अति मैथुन. & Morden (anatomically ) view we can see
there is no any system in bladder or urethra for absorption of fluids (बस्ती द्रव्य ) in compare Intestine or
uterus. Seminal path is also in one way (direction ) it have not also
reverse absorption system. We can't inject any fluid or radio opaque in Seminal
path.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: That's why we try to do different by new line of treatment.. In
bladder carcinoma triple vaccine are given
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: Sir, I put in previous msg. Massage lepan &
parishek over scrotum , I experienced it's easily
accepted by male patients instead of uttarbasti. & as
well as female pt's ready for uttarbasti .
Vd. Sandip Ahirkar:
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: Shukradosha chikitsa (Charak)
Dr. Anup Torane: In management of varicocele jaluoka application can be used
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: One more thing , any curious vaidhya experience in
role of uttarbasti in male infertility. With help of brilliant
sonologist. . Scrotal USG or colour doppler study
previous & post void uttarbasti. Then compare all
values like weight movement temperature etc…Convince for jalauka is
difficult to patients ….It's also dangerous allergic reactions itching
& it's can't gives positive result please ref.
Scrotal anatomy. They use Micro surgery & we haven't
micro jalauka.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Strictures in urethra cure by utterbasti
Germany Helga Fuchs: Hm, all is very interesting. New treatment for future, very
nice. But is there any real need or only some Inspiration to go new ways, if
all others possibilities not working out?
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: Difficult to insert bastidravy painful also .sometimes
patients unbearable
they use first dilataters
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: We didnt understand what our acharya written in samhitas
completely first m
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Oil is very good carrier of medicine.Oil having
characteristic of Anupravan bhav(अणुप्रवण)
Germany Helga Fuchs: As I know Sukra is connected with rasadhatu. If rasa is in good
condition other dhatu are more safe. Rasayantherapy after PK (no vaman),
virecan and basti, should be first given to strenght the body. Rasayan for
shukra as satavari, ashvaghandha, sweet milk, ghee, and shure a healty
lifestyle. If there is any weakness in shukra of men or women, is weakness in
person and this must go first. If this is gone, one is more ready for child. I
have not much experiences on this field, but what I have seen told me, that
most people running for childs, but have not love to the Partner or for the
child. Happiness comes more from to fullfill a society roule, wish of
parents.... I only see real enjoyment and needed Power for childs in strong
healty prakrti as PK, K. For others childs are not easy. Natur itself make a
stop. If one is not able to hold on a good Lifestyle and strong enough to deal
with daily life in good way, how he can give good basic to the child? I know,
that is not much Inspiration for new steps. But in this case, life is getting
more worst. A new heart or lung or what ever, operations, bring people better
health. But childs need the power of her parents, love beetwen parents and all
daily needs without sorrow. To have childs needs strong dhatu and if one is
strong in body and mind, he is ready. So daily rasayan due food and lifestyle,
give strenght to mind and body, and nature can work regular. Nature works to
easy in most, as we can see in many countries. But if Natur stops by itself,
first step is back to natural life. If this is not done, or it is done and not
working out, there are many childs who needs parents.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Helga has point good keep it up, logical factor does effect
Shri Minoo parabia: Natural selection and the survival of fittest. Agreed.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: A couple once showed their reports all normal yet unable to
conceive later learnt the lifestyle/ food & observed that the lady was fond
of sour food daily that too plenty, then I asked her to check pH of vaginal
secretion, which turned out to be acidic now the logic is the spermatozoa can't
sustain moment or Survive in acidic medium, many a times such in between the
lines are to be taken into account.
Germany Helga Fuchs: Yes, this is easy to solve. After lady will be more calm and
happy. Hope she have strong and calm husband and he is a point of happiness in
her life. And vice versa😂
Satyen: What did you prescribed for making the fluids
alkaline
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Nothing in addition naturopathy is best in such cases, lots
of water to drink stopped strictly the sour foods fruits juices preserved &
junk foods, for 6 weeks.Monitored pH
Germany Helga Fuchs: Pawanmukasana series I and series II. If this is working,
start to watch your mind to understand how nervous he is. Then you understand
the need of rest and discipline in life. Vata get balanced on this point and as
we know, aggrevated V give need for sour. To much sour food intake stop by no
need for to much sour.
Vd. Ajay Pithiya: Klaibya (? Impotency) is one of the symptom of rasa dushti
(cha. Su. 28)
Symptoms of shukra vitiation are already described here previously
.. Shukra is responsible for garbhotpadana, not only foetus but any
cell division occurs in the body is because of healthy shukra .. Ayurveda
denotes shukra in female body too, in my view this is not semen or any male
hormone but the part which involves in any kind of cellular division nd growth
... So in case of azospermia we can say that shukra of semen is vitiated here
...
Dr. J. T. Contractor: No dog can bite or no grey hair grow on sour Food eater,
cause he/she will soon have stick to walk it keeps dog away & he/she dies
before hair turns grey!
Vd. Ajay Pithiya: For any case of azoospermia, testicular biopsy is foremost
diagnostic method If there is production of sperm cell at membrane occurs but
sperm cells are absent in semen than there must be pathology above the
testicles ( enroute of sperm cell- via vas deferens, epididymis) in that case
obstruction can be ruled out or any other pathology ...
But if sperm cell is not present at all (complete germ cell
absence or aplasia) or no production occurs than modern medical science advise
them to go for assisted technique for fertilization as they dont have cure for
that ...
Another tehnique known as sperm mapping is also in practice some
where, claiming to be more perfect than testi. Biopsy ... but i dont know more
about its diagnostic efficacy ..
These are modern line of thinking for case of male infertility ..
but for ayurveda we should observe semen to see he kind of vitiation .. And than accordingly design our treatment ..
8 dosha of semen –Fenil, Tanu, Rux, Vivarna, Puti , Pichhila , Anya
dhatu sansrusta, Avsadi
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Hormones (male/female)play major role in production of
semen, spermatozoa, ovulation recent days intrauterine insemination is done as
it was earlier done in animals. But due to hygiene & strict sterile factor
if not maintained this process missed it's natural implantation, thus in fewer
cases results are not favorable & abnormality of the child is
caused, I had seen my guruji late vd. Raol sir, who always observe semen
for this kind of dosha
Germany Helga Fuchs: Shukra is generativ fluid of male and female (ovum). In some
scriptures is shukradhatu as male and Artava as female pointet out. However, if
Rasa is less, shukra is less. In Yoga we speak about Ojas as Essence of Shukra,
and if Ojas in body is not good, Immunsystem is weak. Very interesting is, that
if shukra is to much, semen is to much or not healty. We find a aggressive
person, to aggressiv sexuality, this sterility, impotence, anormalitys in
childs due not healty dosha, pain. I have study, to avoid any problems and to
prepare mind and body of parents for her parent job with Pancha Karma. Clean
and strong dhatu are based on healthy Agni and Dosha. Most people are not able
to do that. No time, no money, no mind for that. Only mind for lust or
money for car, tv, hair, fingernails, food, luxury. Only intelligent people are
able to understand the need. Many only functional to live, but not the leader
of her life. And I do not speak about rich or poor. It is never a point of
that.
Dr. Anup Torane: Bhavesh sir, Small size Jalauka operate like a skillfull surgeon n u can use nirvish jalauka there is no
itching no wound aftr second day of application and part of convince to patient
it's our skill.i have tried this procedure in my hospital so nohing impossible
but risk factor is there.
Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Usually jaluka is good if obstruction is there. ......for sukra
kshaya jaluka will be not good.
Dr. Anup Torane: If h/o trauma over testis, this is aghataj hetu which
increases vat dushti n due to trauma raktdushti also present so in this case m
treating like VATRAKT n have excellent releif to patient.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: @Helga, ojas
nice point. Ojas being updhatu of shukra, too much shukradhatuvruddhi may
indicate vikruti of updhatu i e. Ojas, due to dhatvagnimandya….this ayurvedic pathophysiology can
perfectly explain why heart arrests occur when on Viagra in some men. Ojas and
Shukra.
Dr Jayesh Patel: एरण्डमूलं वृष्य वातहराणां श्रेष्ठं ॥
Shri Minoo parabia: Heart arrest is mostly due to undue over exertion at an old
age!
Germany Helga Fuchs: Shukra is last and most essential dhatu, and all above written, is
a way to healty dhatus and hold Apara Ojas longer. Quantity of Apara Ojas is
life key.
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: क्षीरमांसगणः सर्वः काकोल्यादिश्च पूजितः ।
वाजीकरणहेतोर्हितस्मात् ततु प्रयुज्यते ।। सुश्रुत चि.26
यत् किचींत मधुरं स्निग्धं जीवनं बृहणं गुरू हर्षणंमनस च एव सर्वम् तद् वृष्यम् उच्यते । चरक चि.2
पूर्वम् शुध्दशरीराणां निरूहान् स अनुवासनान् बलापेक्षी प्रयुज्जीत शुक्र अपत्य विवर्धनान् ।।
घृत तैल मांसरस क्षीर शर्करा मधु संयुक्ताः बस्तयः संविधातव्याः ।
क्षीर मांसरस आशिनाम् ।। चरक चि.2
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Very interesting dd (differential diagnosis) given by achrya
susrut
Courtesy of Vd Y. G. Joshi…Due internet information younger generation come
in fantasy is one of the causes……Indragop can be used internally along with
bangbhasma is beneficial
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Dr. Arvind panchal: In oligospermia....Tab Tentex forte, Tab Bangshil give best
results... First we should find out the reason of oligospermia, and
azoospermia....then line of treatment
Dr Feroz Khan: Kawachbeej
(kaucha) gives good result in oligospermia.
Vd. Jayesh Thakkar: Yes it can be due to many cause lower general health status,
occupation radiation related, smoking, steroid resultant, disease manifestation
in obesity, diabetes, thyroid etc. trauma -spinal cord injury, surgical effect
of hernia repair, vasectomy...of STD or chromosomal deformity related....In
management SROTO SODHANA by sodhana & samana helps.. Mustadi Rajyapan
Basti is effective. Vajikaran preparation of Aswagandha, Gokshura,
Kaunch, Musli esp in ghrita & lehya prepn is helpful...In rasa
Sh.Makardhwaj; Vasant Kusumakar in DM is good...Patient counselling,
diet-regimen has a role in management..
USA Umangi Patel: Shilajitvati , with aswaganhada khseerpak give very
good result in both .
Baroda Arti parimal: पीपल के फल की खीर सुबह ओर शाम देने से स्पर्म काउंट में फ़ायदा होता है, Ficus religious, Makhana halva is also beneficial in
oligospermia
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: I believe Azoospermia is a congenital condition. I don't think
much can be done about it. If even little amount of sperm are present (Oligo)
then it can certainly br increased with our medicines. My experience about
Makaradhwaj and Pushpadhanwa is very encouraging .
Vd Limesh Khatri: Shitopladi churna + ghee in Rasayan kal also good for
Oligospermia
Vd. Suhas Chaudhari: In todays lifestyle this is aaharvihar January and also..mainly
rasa pradoshaja... So we should keep this d/d in mind..whether it is rasa
pradoshaja or its shukradushti January..
because accordingly ferment will be different
Vd. Neeraj Pooner: Shukradosha ACC to sushtuta can be treated by snehan swedan
adi kriya
Vishesh kriya And utar vasti….Kunapgandhi shukradosha can be
treated by dhataki pushapa, kahdir, dadim, arjun sadhit ghrit along with
shalsaradi sadhit ghrit……Granthi bhoot shukara can be treated by sharing and
palash sidha ghrit or palash bhasam shidh ghrit………….Puya dosha shukradosha can
be treated by prushak n vatadi gana sidh ghrit…. And in kshin shukara or
less shukra swayonivardhan drugs to be used
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Kindly share experience of Uttar Basti for oligospermia
Vd. zalak dhruv: We must find the cause for this disease….Med
: 1) suksma trifla, 2) puspadhanva ras, 3) bangshil tab, 4) ashwagnadharist, 5)shilajiyadi
vati etc.
PKD : virechan & utterbasti
Vd. Rahul Marwah: In oligospermia or azospermia diet plays an important role
compared to medications
Brazil Fatima Sardinha: Dr. could please comment on the food aspect in oligospermia or
azoospermia?
Vd. Rahul Marwah: Basically the shukra dhatu is 7 th dhatu to get nourished
from the ahara that we consume. It is said to b the base for the formation of
ojha. Ahara rasa reaches on 7th day to the shukra dhatu. In Charak Chikitsa 30,
aacharya has mentioned shukra dushti hetu, which are maximum dietary. They
include *Ati Kshar (many salts, baking soda, coke, etc) *ati amla or ati lavan
-- commonly seen in Desi Chinese dishes, Sandwiches,etc *paryushit -- left
overs, ready to eat foods... Very common in western countries. * seedless
varities of food grains or fruits…..To elaborate the point, we consider an
English proverb, that what you sow... So shall u reap!!! ……..Since the input is
faulty, the output wouldn't b different. Therefore the quality as well as the
quantity of the shukra dhatu will be poor. Such conditions are generally seen
as azoospermia, oligospermia etc.. Whatever u name it
Brazil Fatima Sardinha: Thank you doctor. I live in Brazil
Vd. Sushmaben hirpara: One of my article in gujarati I would like to keep
here...
Food for fertility.
Baroda Zehra Torabally: Vd. Marwah, very easy to understand. I was taught that
ahar takes approx 5 days to convert from each dhatu, therefore it takes approx
35-40 days to reach Shukra dhatu. Can you pls elaborate how ahara rasa
can reach shukra dhatu on 7th day? thank you
Vd. Mukesh Pandya: The food which we have taken today, every day it will convert in
one Dhatu. It means that. 1st day from Food to Plasma, 2nd day from Plasma to Blood , 3rd
day from Blood to Muscle, And so on, up to 7th Dhatu Sukra. But it is Continuous process.
Vd. Neeraj Pooner: ACC to acharya charaka ahar rasa is converted in shukra
dhatu in 6 days
ACC to shushruta - 1 month …..ACC to parshar 8 days …..ACC to vaghbhatta -
ahoratra ,6 ahoratra or 1 month….Dts controversial matter of different acharyas
Baroda Zehra Torabally: I see. Thank you for elaborating it. Will look
further into it and share if anything comes up.
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Dr. Lokesh Mehta: I use combination of taalmakhana uttangan beej kaunch
beej tulsi beej giloy sat amalki rasayan shatavar ashwaganda
gokshur vidarikand vanshlochan in different combinations along with makardhwaj
shukravallabh Ra's vrihat bangeshwar Ra's pushpa dhanwa Ra's and phal ghrit in
diff combinations according to dosha involved to inc the sperm count.
Australia Vd. Neerja Ahuja: Ojas enhancing food, ashwagandha, vidarikand,
panchakarma
Canada Vd Priti Patel: Tab. Mahayogaraj guggul Or tab.
Gokhshradi guggul along with
Ashwagandha, yastimadhu, kaucha biju, Satavari, bang/
tribang bhasma, abhrak bhasma combination with milk twice a day..
Canada Vd Priti Patel: Nagarjuna sperm count grannuels have also good
results..!
Give panchkarma therapies 1st than above treatment for 3
months....
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Dr. Shreyas Bhalodia: I think such condition due to faulty dietary habits &
irregularities in life style - Stress - Anxiety – depression, Non Bramcharya (Excessive
Sex), Alterations in sleep pattern, No used of fresh milk n ghee,Use of
electronic gadgets near scrotal region, Very tight clothes n inners, Mobile's
in pent pocket, Addiction of tobacco, smoking & alcohol , When basic pillar
of healthy I.e. Ahar ( diet), Nidra (sleep) & Bramcharya (abstinence)
Dr. Yogin Patel: Not to eat much methi (fenugreek seeds) dana, &
neem juice in adolescent age, Not wear so tight cloths
Dr. Hiral Sengal: its also due to addiction of smoking..
Dr. Sreedevi N V: Can be treated as per sukra dosha line of treatment. Ksheera
and ghrta can improve this condition as they are good for fertility. Phalasarpis
practically useful ..is nt it?
Dr. Yogesh Borade: Which KALPAs can be used in such cases?
Dr. Supratim Bir: Sukrabaha srota abarodh should be treated prior to brimhan
chikitsa.
Dr. Nitish Dubey: Now a days i found maximum cases of asthenozoospermia, Any
specific medication for motility
Dr. Shreyas Bhalodia: Shodhan First
Vd. Khyati Jariwala: In oligospermia....man should take nutritious food....like
cow milk cow ghee items made from udad dal....n according to dosh prakop diet
should b adviced..
Dr. Nitish Dubey: I tried tentex forte and siotone capsules with some life style
changes and dietary changes Also Counselling in every week gives good
result…. Adyzoa of charak pharmacy is also gud
Vd. Jitu Hadiya: In oligospermia yogbastikram givas best results…basti
give best results
Vd. Ekta D. Patel: Swetmushli churna & kaunchapak is also useful in
oligospermia..
Dr. Supratim Bir: Basti s best option as it's apan vata axis
Dr. Jyoti Yagnik: Rasayanchurn ; ashvagandha churn ; safed musali ; faldhrut useful
Dr. Nitish Dubey: What about gokhsura ? Can we try in high dose with
ashwagandha?
Dr. Hiral Sengal: ashvagandha kshripak, safed musli vth cow milk….sidhh
marakdhwaj rasa
one.of my pt taken it ……gives very good result. Also
Vd. Jitu Hadiya: Yes gokshur is important
Vd. Bhavesh Sirvi: Uttar basti is most effective in such cases…..Pushpadhanva ras,
Sukravallabha ras, Makardhvaj also effective
Dr. Shreyas Bhalodia: If admin agree, I m humble request to all, please write ref. &
Manufacturer classical yoga so we can use it n see details of yoga of books…..As
there is 2-3 types of chandraprabha Vati in market…….I prefer as per Bhai.ratn.
by BAPS pharmacy
Dr. Sreedevi N V: Patent medicines include ceegra tablet (2 tab twice along wt
milk ) of cosmo vision pharmacy….Dhatupushty chewable tab of sd pharmacy,gentle
tablet(1-2 tabs at bedtime) of ajmera pharmacy,nevil tablet (2 tablets twice)
of arya aushadhi ,speman tablet(2 tabs twice) of himalaya company,spark and
spark royal capsule of vasu pharmacy
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: Silajit is very effective in oligospermia..
Dr. Manju Mishra: Shilajit kitni dose me kis tarah dena hai
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: One rati tid…..Vanrigutika bhvprakash nigantu is very
effective..
Greece Sofia: Dry
coconut fruit is aphrodisiac for men . Garlic as well
Vd. Bhavesh Sirvi: Garlic fried in cow ghee take 1-3 piece with milk
Vd. Binal Jagani: Tab. Speman (Himalaya)…Powder of Ashwagandha ,Yashtimadhu , shatavari
combination
Vd. Sandeep J. Prasad: Phalghrut as well as vidariyadi churna also works well
Dr. Shreyas Bhalodia: Apatyakar Ghrita ( cha. Vajikarana ) & Dhanyak Gokshur Ghrita (bha. prakash) effective
in increasing count & motility of sperm…..I m using since long.
Dr. Nayan Thacker: aswagandha churn 100gm,
makardwaj 2gm, bang basam
10 gm, giloy sat, 10 mixer witj cow milk, cap vajitone.
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Compilation Courtesy: Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara
